#269: Leading on Empty with Wayne Cordeiro

By February 1, 2021Podcast

In this episode of the L3 Leadership Podcast, Doug Smith interviews Wayne Cordeiro, Founding Pastor of New Hope Christian Fellowship in Honolulu, Hawaii with over 11,500 in weekend attendance. In the episode, Doug and Wayne discuss leading on empty and the effects of burnout.

Wayne has led New Hope Christian Fellowship in Honolulu, Hawaii for 36 years and has planted 162 churches. His passion is raising up emerging leaders.



Wayne and Doug discuss the importance of focusing on discipleship in ministry leadership. Church planting and success in the ministry as a result of proper discipleship. Character-development is crucial. 

Wayne talks about burnout and the telltale signs of depression in leadership. It’s not something that you can plan for. Burnout is restored by healing, adjustment, and rescheduling.

There’s a difference between tiredness and burnout. Tiredness is resolved by better sleeping habits, burnout is not.

Wayne discusses solitude’s importance to our mental and spiritual health. Solitude is not isolation. Isolation is getting away from people. Solitude on the other hand is a planned away time with God.

Suffering in leadership is actually okay. If you never suffer, you never grow and never learn. Typically our darkest moments in leadership are right before our brightest moments. 

Wayne gives advice for every season of life.

  • Our Twenties are for gaining life experience. It’s a time to take advantage of opportunities and to be a servant leader seeking to serve. 
  • Our Thirties are for us to experiment with what God’s given us and to discover exactly what God has called us to do.
  • Our Forties are for leadership development and for us to hone our craft and sharpen our skills. 
  • From our Fifties on, we are to be looking for successors and emerging leaders to pour our life and leadership into.



Leading on Empty by Wayne Cordeiro

The Divine Mentor by Wayne Cordeiro

Sifted by Wanye Cordeiro

New Hope Fellowship Church


'Keep relationships open. Don't mistake content for conversation.' -Wayne CordeiroClick To Tweet


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Doug is the Director of Development at Light of Life Rescue Mission and Founder and CEO of L3 Leadership. He is the author of his eBook, “Making the Most of Mentoring”, a step by step guide to help you build and cultivate relationships with mentors. He blogs at dougsmithlive.com, he is the host of the L3 Leadership podcast, and he is sought after public speaker.  He is married to his high school sweetheart, Laura, who currently works as an Account Executive at Ivalua. Together, they love family, personal growth, travel, working out, and serving others.


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