L3 Leadership Transcriptions: Anthony Oneal: From Being Homeless To Working For Dave Ramsey And Helping Thousands Of Students All Over The Nation

By March 8, 2018Transcripts

Please enjoy this transcript of this episode with Anthony Oneal. It was transcribed and therefore might contain a few typos. For ways to connect with Anthony,  check out our show notes.

Anthony Oneal: 00:00 Our comfort zone can be the very same thing that kills us, kills relationships. It kills some of our goals, kills some of our, our dreams. And a lot of leaders always asked me, well, what is that comfort zone and, and I tell them, easy, it’s your excuse.

Doug Smith: 00:14 This is the L3 Leadership podcast, episode number 185

Doug Smith: 00:20 What’s up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the L3 Leadership podcast. My name is Doug Smith and I’m the founder of L3

Doug Smith: 00:25 Leadership. In this episode, you’re going to get to hear my interview with Ramsey personality, Anthony Oneal. Anthony currently helps thousands of students all over the nation make good decisions with their money, their relationships in their lives. And in the interview, you’ll hear Anthony shares his story, which I think will inspire you greatly. He was 19 years old, $25,000 in debt, and they ended up being homeless. And you’ll hear him talk about how he got to that position in life. And then also how he got out. We talk about his advice to parents. We talk about what lessons he’s learned while working for Dave Ramsey and so much more. You’re going to love this interview and you’re going to love Anthony, but first just a few announcements. I want to encourage all of you to become members of L3 Leadership. Why? Because I believe that every leader needs a community of leaders around them that will encourage them, challenge them and hold them accountable and that’s exactly what we provide here at l three leadership.

Doug Smith: 01:14 When you become a member, you’ll have the ability to join one of our mastermind groups. You’ll have access to our community of over 100 leaders and access to the tools and resources you need to take your life and leadership to the next level. For more information about membership, go to L3leadership.org/membership. I also want to thank our sponsor, Alex Tulandin, who’s a full-time realtor with Keller Williams Realty. If you’re looking to buy or sell a house in the Pittsburgh market, Alex is your guy. He is a member and a supporter of L3 Leadership and he would love the opportunity to connect with you. You can find out more about Alex and connect with him at pittsburghpropertyshowcase.com. With that being said, let’s dive right into my interview with Anthony. Enjoy, and I’ll be back at the end with a few announcements. Right. Thank you so much for being willing to do this interview. And let’s just start off with you just telling us a little bit about who you are and what you do.

Anthony Oneal: Yeah. My name is Anthony Oneal,

Anthony Oneal: 02:01 part of the Ramsey speaker team here in Nashville, Tennessee. And I am the teen and millennial expert when it comes to just really helping young people transition from high school into college and to college into the real world. And we really focus on just setting down a solid platform, a solid foundation for them getting into the real world. So, you know, high school students may go off to college, or they may go into the military or they made us get into the workforce or we don’t know. But my goal is to really help young people and millennials build a solid foundation going into their future around finances, around maybe their spiritual walk, around entrepreneurship, business college, you name it. I just want to help them create a solid stark to their life.

Doug Smith: 02:45 Yeah. So you have the opportunity to influence literally youth all over the nation. But if you go back to where you were at that point in your life, it didn’t look like you were going to have the trajectory that you’re on today. Can you talk about where you were when you were a teenager? I think a of people would be surprised

Doug Smith: 03:00 to hear your story.

Anthony Oneal: Yeah. You know, graduated high school in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Went out to San Diego, California to live with my parents, actually to be, there’d be honest, it was Oceanside, California, but I always say San Diego because San Diego County, got into in school, and was just excited to be out of my own, you know, my parents taught me everything. From a spiritual perspective, I was sheltered, at the home and I just want it to be free.  I wanted to blend in with, my peers. I wanted to be cool and accepted. And one thing that, the only thing that was really taught to me about finances was, hey, go to God, go to college. Get a good job and get a good credit score. Gives some credit cards to get a good credit score and keep it, you know, at that time they say a 620 or higher was the best score.

Anthony Oneal: 03:48 And so that’s what I did. You know, I went to a good school, I got a job, and I went out and apply for credit cards. And to make a long story short, uh, before I even turned 19, so rouse 18, graduating high school before I turned 19, I was $25,000 in debt. It was about $15,000 of credit card debt and then $10,000 in furniture, debt and homeless sleeping in the back of my car because of some crazy decisions that I made.

Doug Smith: Well, that’s, that’s crazy. So not only how did you get there, but how did you get out of that situation?

Anthony Oneal: Well, you know, my father man, my father knew he knew what was going on. So the reason why I became homeless, his because I called myself a grown man at the time. Every young person that I’ve met they’ve said, hey, you know, I’m a grown person and there’s, there’s a definition between the grown man and a man.

Anthony Oneal: 04:39 And at that time I was a young man trying to become a grown man. I’m so, my dad says, since you believe you’re a grown man, you’re going to go out there and live on your own. I got kicked out of school when I lost my job and I lost my apartment. My Dad said you’re not going to come home. You’re going to go out there. And that was the best thing that my dad ever gave me because he gave me experience at that time. And my father knew, you know, he was tracking me and making sure that I was safe. He was making sure that I was living, but he was also making sure that I was learning from my mistakes. And so, my dad invited me to come back home after a while and he literally sat me down and he gave me a Dave Ramsey budget form.

Anthony Oneal: 05:20 And he said, hey, you’re going to list out all of your debt and you’re going to list everything here and you’re gonna get a job and you have six months to a year to get yourself back on your feet. You’re going to sacrifice. I expect to not see you out with your friends. If you’ve got to work two jobs, boy, you better work two jobs. And I went and got my first job, my real quote-unquote job working at the ARS, collection agency there in Carlsbad, California, collecting other people’s money without money.

Doug Smith: You know, so one of those collectors that, I mean, I had collectors calling me way back and literally

Doug Smith: 05:58 I start, the Swat team was going to show up in my house.

Anthony Oneal: 06:00 I was one of those collectors. I’m not going to lie, man. I would forgive him mo days, man. But you know, I was, I was, I was yelling at people. I was threatening people. I remember calling neighbors and embarrassing people. And I regret those days, man. You know, but,

Doug Smith: 06:19 Do they train you to do that? Just out of curiosity.

Anthony Oneal: 06:22 They don’t train you to threaten people, but they do, they do train you to call it skipping and that’s like, we’re going to skip around you to see exactly how we could find you. And we’ll find, we’ll find a neighbor. So if I know you live at 850 Caressa drive, I’m a lookup 848 Caressa drive. Find that number on the Internet. Call them and say, Hey, your neighbor owes this amount of money. And we’d come out there, they train us how to find you a, but they do not train us how to, how to harass you. That’s from the collector.

Doug Smith: 06:51 Wow. Yeah. And so I’m sure it took a lot of courage for your dad to get to the point where he said, hey, you, if you think you’re a man, go for it, but you’re on your own. Can you? Well, one, how, how did that make you feel as his son? And then I’m just curious, you know, obviously looking back, you said it was one of the best things he did. Can you talk about what that did for you?

Anthony Oneal: 07:11 Yeah, yeah. When my dad said that I thought I thought that my parents had abandoned me. You know, my peers had abandoned me. The girls that I spent all the money on her left me hanging. You know, I’m a spiritual person, so I was just like, wow, God, now my parents gonna abandon me or are you going to abandon me too? And so it led me at a very low point in my life. And, but again, I just find when you’re, when you’re lower, you, all you can do is just see higher. You can’t see any more lower. So, for me, I really enjoyed that season now. Now when I was living in it, it was not fun because I didn’t have anyone and I felt like I was by myself. But during that season, I had the opportunity to really sit back and to just really think and process things and examine my life, examine the decisions that I’ve made.

Anthony Oneal: 08:04 And that really helped me to mature as a young man at that present time. And the reason why I said that was the best thing my father could have ever done because my father taught me how to be a man with that decision. If he would allow me to come home, he would have taught me that it’s okay to make mistakes and come home, but a man can’t come home all the time when he makes mistakes. And at that time, that’s what I learned. And so now I’m at the age that I’m at 33 years old, when I did move out, when I was about 21, when I left the house, I’ve never been back home and I’ve always been able to survive. I didn’t make all the right decisions there, but when I made a decision that maybe sometimes, honestly have my lights got cut off at one time when I was 21, 22 because I wasn’t being a good steward at the time of my money, I was able to, okay, you know what, you make this decision, you need to fix it. And it has, that’s because my father instilled that into me as a young man.

Doug Smith: 09:04 Yeah, so as you influence all these youth, I’m, I’m just curious, what advice do you have for parents out there that may have a, a young Anthony at home or a challenging situation or maybe a situation where their, their kid has already left the house and it was making really poor decisions and, and they just spend every day on their knees praying for them. What advice would you give to those parents?

Anthony Oneal: 09:22 You know, it all depends. If I’m talking to a mother, I’ll say, man, the best thing you can do from a mom, it’s just love and pray. If I’m talking to a father and he’s raising up, you know, a young man teach him how to be a man. If you’re, if you’re a lady, if you’re a mother, teach your daughter how to be, how to be a woman. And I would definitely say, you know, the Bible says, train up a child away that he or she should go to this in the book of Proverbs. And I’m like, okay, that’s cool. Train them up. Once they become older and wiser and a young adult, hey, just be, just guide them. Don’t feed them everything. Guide them. Let them make mistakes. Let them fall. And when they fall, hey, help them up. Don’t pick them up.

Anthony Oneal: 10:04 When I say help them up, as far as in just, you know, hey, be there for them and makes sure that they feel the pain because my father didn’t pick me up and pay off all my debt and do this. No. He helped me back up and say, hey son, hey, I’m going to give you a place to say, but you’re going to pay the bills. I’m going to help you during this time. And I think that’s something important for parents when you’re dealing with a young kid who was out of high school and it started to experience life, guide them on a journey, give them wisdom, but don’t make all their decisions, don’t, don’t fix all their problems. Guide them along the way and make sure that they’re not hurting their life from a physical perspective, but make sure that they do feel the pain from their actions.

Doug Smith: 10:45 Yeah. So in your work with youth, you created a resource and you wrote a book called the Graduate Survival Guide, Five Mistakes You Can’t Afford to Make in College. And I’m just curious, can you give us maybe one or two of those mistakes and what

Doug Smith: 10:57 college kids or high school kids can do to avoid them?

Anthony Oneal: Yeah. The number one mistake that I really love out of that book is having no plan. You know, I think that this generation is not big at really riding their vision on paper and when it comes to their money, when it comes to their life. And one thing I’m very big on, but it has, I’m traveling around the country in high schools and especially colleges with, with millennials is hey, before you even really jump on a budget, I want you to jump on your vision. Like I really want you to write down where you want to go. And then boom, make sure that your budget is matching where you want to go. So if you want to graduate college debt free, make sure that that’s written down on your vision that you see every single day.

Anthony Oneal: 11:34 Then also your budget is matching out. What are you doing? Are you saving, are you paying off your student loans that maybe you’ve taken out? Are you trying to figure out how to cash flow your way through? That’s one thing that is very, very big to me that your written plan for your life and your budget is congruent and is working hand in hand is working together. And then number two is really avoid debt. And when I say avoid debt, I’m talking about all debt, credit cards, student loans, and just really focused on establishing that healthy point of your life to where hey, you’re paying everything in cash, you have a written plan, you’re saving for your future. And one thing that I’m doing, I’m mentoring a couple of students right now that are in college and I meet with them once a month and we’re always talking about, okay, where are you at now and where are you going?

Anthony Oneal: 12:21 One of the students that are mentoring, she has set aside about $5,500 cash and she’s a sophomore with absolutely no debt. So by the time she graduates college, she’s going to have about $15,000 in her savings account because every single day she’s looking up grants and scholarships. Every single day she’s going to work and she’s focusing on her career. So we all know Dave’s baby step, baby step number three is have three to six months of expenses. And then baby steps four, five, six, and seven you can do all together. So when she graduates college, she has $15,000 in her savings account and then now she could jump into, she can go out there and purchase a home if she wants. And she’s only 21-22 years old. That is a healthy foundation for your life. And that’s one thing that I’m really trying to teach all these young people like, hey, think about where you’re going. Don’t think about just today. And, she’ll tell you, I, he interviewed her one day, she would tell you like, hey, I hate this is, it hurts. It’s not fun. I got to work, I got to spend time, but I’m looking forward to my future.

Doug Smith: 13:25 Yeah. So people can obviously pick up the book on Amazon. I’ll include links to everyone on the show notes for that.

Anthony Oneal: Yes.

Doug Smith: But how else can people connect with you if they want to learn more about you or maybe have them come to you come to their school, et cetera. How can people connect?

Anthony Oneal: 13:37 I would love to come to their school colleges? They can connect with me on AnthonyOneal.com or @AnthonyOneal on all social media platforms.

Doug Smith: 13:46 Love it. I’ll include links to all of that as well. I want to continue on your personal journey. So after you got your life together, you a, it turns out you ended up growing one of the biggest youth ministries in the nation. We were speaking all over the place and, and I don’t know exactly what happened, but you end up getting a job at Ramsey Solutions. And I’m just curious from that jump, I mean obviously it sounds like you had something great going for you and then you have this opportunity with Ramsey Solutions. Can you talk about that jump? Was that, what are those situations where you had to give up to go up?

Doug Smith: 14:14 Was it hard?

Anthony Oneal: Transitioning from full-time ministry, in my culture, I would say that was my comfort zone. And then coming here to work with Ramsey Solutions, it was definitely stepping outside of my comfort zone. Probably one of the hardest decisions I’ve ever made in my life, and still today. I mean literally today I’m still learning. And growing, with this experience. What I say, I had to sacrifice something to go up. I don’t believe, yeah, I did. I did. I did have to sacrifice a lot of things. Because working with myself, it was really just not really me cause I still had to report to my senior pastor and that board there. But at the same time, now the Anthony Oneal brand is much bigger than just me. You know, I represent, I’m a phenomenal guy and Dave Ramsey, I represent a great organization.

Anthony Oneal: 15:14 But I think the most difficult thing for me to sacrifice was my comfort. There wasn’t a restaurant in Jacksonville, Florida that I could not walk into and have a free meal. There wasn’t a school that I couldn’t walk into and just walk in and just talk to anybody at any time. And so to come here to enter into a new culture, yeah, it was difficult, but the very best decision I’ve ever made in my life because I don’t believe if you’re not growing, if you’re not willing to step outside of your comfort zone, you can’t grow. And the thing is, I could have stayed there and preach for a number of churches that have never preached four before that are highly respected in that culture. But I, I called myself, that’s just a circle I want to go up. I don’t want to just stay in the same circle. I want to go up and as I’m going up, I want to impact a lot of people. So I would definitely say it was a great, great experience.

Doug Smith: 16:11 And how long have you been on staff with Ramsey Soultions now?

Anthony Oneal: 16:14 Going on three years, man. June 8th of this year will be three years with this phenomenal organization.

Doug Smith: 16:20 So it’s been three years of, enormous growth in your life. I’m just curious, what are, what are the biggest lessons that you’ve learned about business and leadership as a result of being on staff there?

Anthony Oneal: 16:30 Yeah. One of the biggest things that I’ve learned about since being here and still learning, so today man, it’s communication. That’s something I really been big on a lot. Just teaching myself, teaching my teaching young people. It’s just communication is very, very key and understanding different perspectives and having a bigger look than yours. One thing I love about Dave is that he sees the big picture. He understands everyone has different experiences. They all go through different things, but what they’re going through is them and he just knows how to hear it and they communicate well out to everyone else. And that’s one thing that I’m really breaking up and picking up on and I just think every good leader has to really understand how to communicate to everyone, not just to their particular way.

Doug Smith: 17:16 Yeah, it’s interesting. You’re the fourth Ramsey personality I’ve interviewed and I’ve asked everyone that question and literally communication has been the answer for everyone. There’s the consistent communication, that clear communication that Dave and the team provides.

Doug Smith: 17:30 Yeah. Wow. What a culture.

Anthony Oneal: Yeah. I love it. Briefly when I listen to the other of shows. So to hear that we’re all on the same page. I love that. Yeah.

Doug Smith: 17:38 Yeah. I briefly want to talk to you about speaking cause you’re a phenomenal speaker and I’ll just leave this open-ended, but what, what advice do you have for public speakers out there? And do you have any, any certain scripts or routines of what you try to put into a talk? For instance, do you try to do a third research or third humor, third stories? I’m just curious, what advice do you have for people who want to get into speaking?

Anthony Oneal: 18:01 So my advice is going to be different in this man. You know, I don’t have a system that I do when it comes to my speaking. The very first thing that I tell people who ask me this all the time is be like really be, authentic to you. Since I’ve been on this show I probably pronounced some words wrong. And I think sometimes we can try to be perfect all the time and I believe that you are called to reach certain people and certain people, those certain people will understand who you are and you will be able to relate to them better. So I tell everyone is, hey, don’t focus so much on your flaws. Focus on what you’re really, really good at. And while you’re focusing on that, yes, work on your flaws and become better, but be comfortable with who you are.

Anthony Oneal: 18:49 When it comes to my talks, I, a lot of my talks come from what I experienced in life. I really don’t, I hardly sit down and just write a whole talk. I could be riding in a car and I can be experiencing something that my insight series talk for an example. A lot of high schools and colleges call and asked me for the Eset series talk and that all came from the gym. I literally wrote that whole talk in the gym watching a young lady on the elliptical machine and she said, one thing to me Eset series, and I mean, I literally came away with three talking points, came back and of course polished it up, but in a matter of five minutes of me doing what I naturally do, I had a whole talk. And so that’s something that I naturally do.

Anthony Oneal: 19:35 Like from example, stop looking but go get it. That’s one of my talks that I, I’ve, come up with recently that a lot of, um, um, singles like the churches bring me out for, you know, just to the spiritual side, someone go into that much. But it’s I just really look for things that is naturally around me. I’m then of course, and I’ll come back and just make sure I polish get a nice little intro. I’ll get a nice little outro, but they, here’s one thing that I tell all speakers that some speakers do not do well. Uh, which kind of bothers me a little bit. It’s makes sure that you have, you leave a little bit of breathing room in the, or talk to feel and engage with the audience. So if you’re talking in your audience, if your talk has no room for breathing too, where you can really expound on something that your audience is really filling, then you’re, you’re just yelling at them, you just lecturing them.

Anthony Oneal: 20:28 It’s not really a good vibe. And so for me, I leave a lot of room in my talks to just so I can have a good time with the audience, see what they like, see what they don’t like it, they don’t like it. I move on. If they do like it, then I parked right there for a little bit. I get out of the car and we just going to have a talk. So that’s is what I really do. And then when I’m preaching, of course, I’m a spiritual guy. I spend some time with the Lord and just really hear what he wants me to say to his people on Sundays. But when it’s just a school or a corporate, I really try to see what’s around me. Some of the best talks I’ve ever done for high schools and colleges is this.

Anthony Oneal: 21:03 I wrote all of my talks for high schoolers in colleges in the high school and college because it’s like I’m around them. So if I’m trying to reach a certain audience and I’ve never been around that audience, I can’t talk to them because I don’t know them. I don’t know what they’re experiencing. So that’s one thing that I do do. And I’m looking to write new talks for high schools. I’ll literally go volunteer at a high school, be a janitor for a day or two. And I’ve done that recently and I just see what kids are going through. I see what care is that kids are experiencing. And you know, they’ll come up to him, say, hey, Mr. Anthony, hey, let me ask you this question. And they’ll ask me a question. That question now becomes a talk because I’m in their world, I’m in their space. I’m seeing what’s going on. Boom. And so I tell people that if you’re going to write a talk for someone, makes sure that you, you know, who you talking to.

Doug Smith: Yeah. I want to, I want to jump into the, what I call the lightning round. Just a bunch of fun little questions. And just to start off, just to piggyback on what you were saying, I’m just curious, what is God teaching you right now?

Anthony Oneal: God is teaching me patience and how to be quiet.

Doug Smith:: 22:05 What are you learning? I need both of those patients is from me.

Anothy Oneal: I’m a go-getter. And so, sometimes, to be honest, you know, when you was working, when I was working by myself, I didn’t have to wait on a lot of people. Coming here, you know, I got to wait. You know, it’s a different process when it’s just me. I can just go, go, go, go, go. When is here, you have we have a team of excellent. So, we want things to be perfect and I love it. And sometimes I can be like, God, I just want to do this. And, he was like, no, you need to be patient because I’m trying to make you better and this team is going to make you better. So sit still. And so, um, I’m learning that.

Anthony Oneal: 22:46 And then sometimes I just, I don’t have to say certain things. I could just be quiet and just let things just flow. And so that was one thing, literally right now, jazzed at, because I was praying about that this morning. I’m like, God, what, how do I do that? You know? And he was just like the be quiet part is easy, just keep your mouth close to patients part that, that will take some time. And so those are two things I got is really work with me on, it’s just patience and just, just be quiet.

Doug Smith: What’s one belief or quote, this change your life.

Anthony Oneal: What’s one belief or quote that has changed my life? Oh Man. You’re the man.com. I really liked you. We could do this show all the time because I literally just wrote it down. Hold on. I’m about to get it for you right now.

Anthony Oneal: 23:29 Y’all bear with me. I’ll notice a podcast, edit this pause out. Start with your beliefs, which will lead your thoughts, which will create your actions, which will produce your results. And sometimes we go for, we start at the ladder, we look for what is the end result that we want and the and produce for that. When this quote just really hitting me, hey start with what you firmly believe it. If you start from the internal it will, it will just really flourish on external. And sometimes we look for the external and we try to figure out how to make it internal.

Doug Smith: 24:07 What’s the best purchase you’ve made in the last year for $100 or less?

Anthony Oneal: 24:11 The best purchase for $100 or less. The best purchase I would probably say in the last year was something I really haven’t done. But I bought one of my team members, she was going through some stress and I went and bought her a $75 gift card. And when I gave it to her, she started crying. That was the best purchase that I bought for $100 or less.

Doug Smith: 24:39 Other than your own book, what, what’s the number one book you find yourself giving away to people?

Anthony Oneal: 24:43 Other than my own book, what’s the number one book that I’ve given away? You’re going to get me in trouble, but it’s all good. Rachel Cruz. Love Your Life, not theirs. I give it away for free. I’m like Yo, cause I just want people to enjoy your life. You know, not, there’s an s that’s the number one book that I’m, I’m really giving out right now.

Doug Smith: 25:03 I don’t know if you listen to podcasts, but if you do, what’s your favorite podcast right now?

Anthony Oneal: 25:07 Hold on a minute. I’ll tell you, I was listening to it last night. I want to make sure I say it correctly. Because this podcast has been a blessing,  Millennial Money.

Anthony Oneal: 25:19 Yeah, I’ll say that. And then the other one is called Death, Sex and Money. And I like it from the perspective of, the money things it’s pretty cool.

Doug Smith: 25:32 If you could go back and have coffee with your 20-year-old self, what would you tell him? The 20-year-old self or 19 whatever.

Anthony Oneal: So yeah, 20-year-old self.

Anthony Oneal: 25:44 Stop. That’s all I would tell him. Stop. Yeah.I’d just tell him stop. Yeah. Stop. Yeah, it’s good.

Doug Smith: 25:57 So on the other end of your life, one day, looking back, what do you want people to say about you at your funeral and what do you want your legacy to be?

Anthony Oneal: 26:04 I’m on my death bed. That’s a good question. Somebody just asked me to set the church the other day on my death bed. I want, you know, I came into this world crime, it had a big head and my mom was crying and she had tears of joy and I said, on my death bed, man, I want to reverse that. You know, I want to be smiling. I want to be smelling and looking at my wife, looking at my kids, looking at my kids, and I, I want them to see their father, grandfather, great grandfather, transitioning off to heaven. And I want them to say he did a great job, well done because didn’t leave them with any debt. I left them with wealth, I left them with knowledge, I let them with wisdom, I left him with love.

Anthony Oneal: 26:50 And I just want them to say, hey, this was an imperfect man that just had a heart and passion to love people. And so, it was just a positive. That’s just really what I want them to see is not a, not a perfect man. Not that he had all the, all the potential. I just want them to say, you know what, well-done pops, well done. My husband and I just want to be smiling at them. I don’t want tears. I don’t want to be crying. I want to be smiling because I know I did the very best I can as a man and as a husband and as a father and as a grandfather. And so, some people crying when her dying. I want to be smiling and laughing when I’m dying.

Doug Smith: 27:31 Great. And as we, as we wrap up, I’m just, I’ll just leave it open-ended question, but any advice you want to leave for leaders today?

Anthony Oneal: 27:37 Yeah. Leaders may be you be, you be open. And it one thing that I’m very, very big on, it’s just really stepping outside of your comfort zone, because, our comfort zone can be the very same thing that kills us, kills relationships that kill some of our goals, kill some of our, our dreams. And a lot of leaders always asked me, well, what is that comfort zone? And, I tell them, easy, it’s your excuse you know whatever, whatever you say, so one thing I would definitely say what leaders is, don’t allow your comfort zone to become your kill zone. Stretch yourself. It’s going to feel uncomfortable. You’re going to probably ask yourself this, this makes sense from a, from me, from my company, for what I’m trying to do. Um, and um, and just try something. You know, Dave told us something a while ago. He said, hey, make gumbo. And Gumbo is, it’s just a, it’s just a mixture of a lot of different things and a lot of different things that you can’t even see and a lot of different things that probably doesn’t even make that much sense. But if you’re only focused on the sausage and it chilly inside of your dish, what about the salt? What about the pepper? What about the onions? What about the things that does it? It’s not visual, but that does make a better dish. So step, step outside your comfort zone.

Doug Smith: 28:50 Well, thank you so much for your time today, Anthony. Appreciate it and I look forward to doing this again one day.

Anthony Oneal: 28:54 Thank you, man. You Rock, man.

Doug Smith: 28:59 Hi everyone. Thank you so much for listening to our interview with Anthony Oneal. You can find ways to connect with him and links to everything that we discussed in the shownotes,

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